Ep. 36- Q&A #4- Check-ins

Members of the podcast team, Becky, Autumn, and Tiffany sit down together to talk about Check-ins and answer anonymous questions from listeners.

They begin the episode by discussing what check-ins are. Autumn shares that she and her husband Chris began checking in daily after his final disclosure. They wanted to work on communicating more. She shares that it helped to feel validated and seen. The areas that they choose to check-in with are: Physically, emotionally, spiritually, sexually, self-care, the Hand of God in their life that day, and financially. She says that they don’t check-in daily anymore but still make it a priority to check-in each Tuesday.

Becky shares that one thing she likes about check-ins is that “you can tweak it according to your needs”.  She says there may be a feeling out there that a check-in has to look a specific way in order to “do it right”.  There is not really a way you HAVE to do a check-in.  Finding out what you are comfortable checking-on about is important.  And check-ins can (and DO) change over time.  It is about creating a safe space for everyone.  

Tiffany feels like it is important to focus on what the intention of the check-in is- Trying to create safety or seeking better connection or learning to communicate with each other.  Or a mix of many things.  

It is important to be clear about the intent.

Tiffany shares that there may be fear that check-ins have to become about confession.  If that’s your goal and that’s clear, it may not be as triggering.  Knowing beforehand may help you be more prepared to hear about slips, relapses, etc…  If you want it to be a connection place or a communication place, you may want to put the confession someplace else.

Having a time limit of check-ins can be very important because it can start to feel too heavy.  Becky shares that to not slip into combing through details and rehashing everything.  She says that putting a time limit really helped her avoid those things.  Autumn shares that she tries to use just a one word description for her check-ins, with a simple description if needed, steering clear or words like “Good”, “Fine”, and “OK”.

Tiffany asks Becky how they started check-ins and what did that look like?  Becky shares that she feels like check-ins often start when you start therapy or 12-step and people around them were talking about check-ins so they thought “I guess we will do this thing”.  It started out really rocky.  She says that they were not in the habit of talking and communicating in a healthy way and there was just disconnection. 

It was hard at first.  When you don’t have a lot of trust because of wounds, it can feel very scary to check in.

Becky says that they kept check-ins very gentle and low-key at first.  Sometimes dropping out the sexual piece because she did not feel like she could talk about or even look at that part.  She says that her husband was very understanding and just said Whatever you need and that helped create a safer space in their relationship.

Check-ins can be done with couples but Autumn reminds us that we are not our loved one’s sponsors.  Not their accountability partners.  Check-ins can clear the air, but not about accountability.  She shared an experience when they were checking in daily and had heard enough!  She told him, “I’m not your group of guys.  Call your guys!  You need to leave here from me, go call your guys, and figure your crap out! Utilize the tools that you have been given because you are not doing that”.  She shares that check-ins looked a lot different after that.

Becky asks “How can you tell when it crosses the line from just checking in into dumping on you?”.  Autumn reminds us that with the boundary that is already set up about what check-ins look like and the intention behind the check-in.  Tiffany says that if it feels heavy or you get worked up, you know where the line is.  Watching your own red flags is key.  If you become triggered or resentful, then you have probably crossed the line.

If something in your check-in is not alright with you, change it!

Autumn also reminds us that the addict has that right, too.  Being mindful of what their rights are, too.  Check-ins are not a space to be bashing them.  It takes practice.  Practice makes progress.  If you can catch bashing behavior early on, check-ins become a lot better.

Check-ins can also be done with others- a trusted friend, a safe person and group therapy check-ins can be important, too.  They can help expand your emotional vocabulary and can also be an opportunity to learn to practice healthy communication.  You can get into the habit of speaking for yourself, advocating for yourself, and sharing in safe spaces.

Tiffany talks about checking in with herself and shares that she loves daily check-ins and reminds us that it is not a perfect process.  We do our best and that is enough.  

I do 1% and God does 99%.  

Pick out the things that you do and know that those efforts matter.  Being vulnerable to say what you can and can’t do is a success.  She shares another way she likes to check in. The 5 G’s: Good, Goal, Glitch, Gratitude, and God’s Hand

Listener question- “Is it ok to talk about triggers in your check-in?”  Autumn feels it’s personal preference but you need to be on the same page.  Sit down and talk about what you want check-ins to look like, both of you.  

Tiffany shares that sometimes triggers are triggering. but it’s about how you handle it.  She shares that when she was married and they checked in, trigger check-ins looked like this for them- “I did have a trigger today.  I am handling it well, I am reaching out, and I just wanted you to know.”  She says that felt so safe for her.  Autumn also shares that some people write triggers down for a week and then they take them into therapy and talk about it with them.  Becky reminds everyone to keep in mind that we are not accountability partner- we don't want to carry around or try to fix our loved ones triggers. 

It is important to go back to the Intention you agreed about for your check-ins.

~Why are you talking about a trigger?  

~Do you want to know a trigger because you want to manage it?  

~Or does that addict need someone to lean on and help them get out of the trigger?  

Keep in mind, that is what a sponsor is for, that’s what the addicts' friends and/or are for.  Thinking about the intention behind it is what makes the biggest difference.

Listener question- “What if my husband is not willing to check in with me but he wants me to check in with him?”

~Tiffany shares that this goes back to vulnerability with me.  There has to be give on both sides in a relationship like that.  Both sides need to be trying.

~If you want your relationship to work out, Autumn says, there needs to be communication on both sides. I would look at that as a safety issue- maybe we aren’t where I thought we were.  Maybe we need to discuss it with a therapist.  There could be control issues going on: he is trying to control your recovery or you are trying to control his.

Becky says that being on the same page is important. Maybe one of you is not comfortable talking about sexuality but the other is, and you are both with that, you are on the same page.  It is going to look different sometimes and there is give and take, but an imbalance shows a red flag.  If the vulnerability is not there.

.Autumn also reminds us to really consider if you are in a place for check-ins.  Not everyone is ready for check-ins.  Start with yourself and see how that goes.  Creating safety for both parties is really important. Sometimes we get angry and need to step away. and that can feel hard for addicts because they are just checking in like we ask them to.  It is important to learn to take accountability for your check-ins.  “This is something that I can handle better than I did.” There are times where you can’t handle it better than yelling and screaming.  You do apologize for it.  But there are times when you have a trauma response and you have to step away.

Check-ins are a model of connection.  If you want a deeper connection, try checking in (whatever it needs to look like) regularly.  Remember that it's not a perfect process and it’s not going to look great every time.  We are doing it because we are practicing and learning.  So, we’ve got to give a little more grace- to ourselves and loved ones.

We encourage you, when you feel ready, to try it!

Find out what works for you, with yourself, loved ones, and God.

Song chosen by Tiffany:

Prize Worth Fighting For by Jamie Kimmett

There are things worth fighting for.  Coming to Jesus, taking up our cross every day, going to battle.  We are fighting for connection and healing and it’s worth it.

Specific recovery resources:

Being on the same page of what to expect with check-ins

Knowing the intention behind the check-in

Vulnerability

Honesty

Boundaries

Ideas for check-in:

~Physically

~Emotionally

~Spiritually

~Sexually

~Self-care

~Financial

~Whatever area you feel you need...

5 G’s

Good

Goal

Glitch

Gratitude

God’s Hand

Ep. 35- Dating with Betrayal Trauma

Becky and Tiffany sit down with special guests, Anarie and Ali, to discuss dating with betrayal trauma. Tiffany, Ali, and Anarie have been single for various amounts of time, and all bring a wealth of understanding and perspective to the experience of dating after going through betrayal trauma.

When asked about how they prepared themselves to start dating after divorce, Anarie explains how she wanted to learn to be okay with being alone. She shares a quote from Bell Hooks: “Knowing how to be solitary is central to the art of loving. When we can be alone, we can be with others without using them as a means of escape. Embrace solitude. Allow Divine Spirit to rebuild itself there.”

Ali expresses how she wanted to make sure she wasn’t dating to fill a void in her life. 

“I wanted dating to enhance my life, not BE my life,” Ali says. “I know God will catch me and hold me when things are painful.”

All three women received promptings from God that it was time for them to start dating. Becky reminds us to involve the Savior, and if it is important to us, the Savior will be there by our side. In addition, Anarie cautions against being so afraid of what could go wrong, that we don’t allow ourselves to see what could go right. 

The next question asked common pitfalls in dating after betrayal trauma. For Ali, struggling with her own self-worth was difficult. She explains how dating is really about getting to know ourselves. She asks us to remember that we are going to make mistakes, but we can give ourselves small victories and realize we’re growing.

Anarie shares how she wanted to fix all her problems before opening herself up for love after divorce. But Becky says that even though it’s hard when we’ve been hurt to give someone our trust, we can be firm in the knowledge that we are not perfect, and we still deserve love.

Tiffany shares how dating is challenging her belief system. She thought she was meant to be alone. However, she learned that people care about what she thinks and want to be around her. 

Brene Brown’s concept of foreboding joy is also discussed. Foreboding joy is our inability to experience joy because we’re waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Becky then asks the women how they handle triggers and trauma responses during dating. Tiffany shares how she’s been surprised at how few triggers she’s had. Although any dishonesty from the men she dates is a big trigger, she’s also felt the power of the atonement in being able to see, after they’ve been honest about their struggles, the tangible healing that has taken place in these men.

For Ali, reaching out to ask for prayers from women who are safe has helped her handle the triggers. She urges us to trust in the people and resources that God has placed in our lives.

Anarie discusses how some of her triggers have helped her see places she needs to set boundaries

“It’s difficult to unpack what has just happened as being something that’s happening now or part of old wounds and projecting things into the situation that aren’t really there. Often it’s a combination of both,” Anarie says.

The women share how dating has brought up more grief, mourning, and loneliness for them. However, as Becky points out, it shows us our need for the Savior, as well.

Tiffany, Anarie, and Ali also share some practical tips about online dating, and about keeping yourself safe. Things like preparing a short, boundaried version of your story to share with those you date, meeting in public places, sharing your location with trusted friends, and driving your own car to the dates are all important. The bottom line is if someone we are looking to date is honest and accountable, it can feel safe to say, “I’m giving you a chance.” 

Finally, Becky asks: what does healing and recovery work look like when you’re no longer married to an addict?

Anarie shares how recovery looks much the same, but it’s easier now because she isn’t fighting for a certain outcome.  Ali explains that for a while, she’d lost herself in recovery and gotten stuck in the betrayal trauma world. Now, she has room to step back and reach out to people who understand her. Tiffany feels that divorce takes the couples’ aspect out of recovery and simplifies it a little, but staying in a marriage requires surrendering in different ways.

Above all, being as honest as you can be and giving yourself and whomever you’re dating an abundance of grace is critical when dating after betrayal trauma. Every kind of relationship can teach us something.

Tiffany shares:

“Have your people. It’s so good to have someone to check in with. Keep your people with you—they’re a gift.”

Dating Resources:

Leaning on the Lord

Boundaries

Safe Online Dating Practices

Honesty

Trusted friends to reach out to for support


RAINN - rainn.org - The Nation’s Largest Anti-Sexual Violence Organization

Rape Recovery Center - raperecoverycenter.org - To empower those victimized by sexual violence in Utah

Utah Coalition Against Sexual Assault - ucasa.org - Resources for Survivors https://www.ucasa.org/resources

This episode’s songs:

Anarie’s song:  Rachel Platten’s “Nothing Ever Happens”

Tiffany’s song:  Danny Gokey’s “Tell Your Heart to Beat Again”