Ep. 21- Holiday Q&A

Becky, Autumn, and Tiffany gather together virtually to answer anonymous questions about dealing with betrayal trauma around the holidays. 

Question #1:  What are common holiday triggers and how can I navigate them?

Tiffany shares that seeing happy families can be triggering. “It’s so hard to see other people who look so happy in their marriage and their family,” she says. 

For Autumn, the whole season of fall is triggering because that’s when she found out about her husband’s addiction.

Becky shares how during the holidays, she would look around and see really happy people, and then she’d go home and there would be fighting, pain, and sadness. 

Autumn used to feel resentment around the idea of gifts, because no gift her husband could give her would ever be big enough to compensate for the pain of his betrayal.  It was also hard to give gifts to her husband for a while; for a time, she stopped giving sentimental gifts.

Tiffany shares how the holidays brought up more feelings of being isolated because she felt more removed and that she was hiding more. Vacations were exponentially more stressful during the holidays.

Becky agrees, stressing that: 

“One of Satan’s biggest tools is isolation and he really pushes that idea during the holidays.”

Autumn explains how the opposite of isolation is reaching out. Because she had a helpful support person, and because over time she felt more safe with her husband, those holiday triggers began dissipating. She worked really hard to find the good things in other areas of her life, like her kids, or starting a different tradition. 

Another way to deal with the holidays is to temporarily shelf the situation.

Tiffany shares how her therapist told her it’s okay to shelf the situation for a time, to go and participate and have fun. “That doesn’t mean everything is super happy and good,” she says. “What it means is, I don’t have expectations of working through things, or solving things. I have an expectation to try to enjoy myself, to try to be involved and show up the best I can. I don’t expect to address the problem or make big decisions during this time.” 

One thing that has helped Becky during the holidays has been connecting with safe people. “I also attended a couple of extra 12-step meetings during the week of Christmas week, just to get a little extra strength in me,” she says.

Autumn adds that we can skip these holiday events, if need be.  

“If it’s triggering and you can’t participate, and it doesn’t create safety for you, you can skip it,” Autumn says.

Becky also reminds us that it’s okay to simplify the holidays down to only the things that truly bring us joy.  

Question #2: How do I provide good holidays for my kids when betrayal trauma has happened?

Becky explains that:

Our kids know when something’s wrong, even if they don’t know the details.

“Sometimes we can put on a happy face when we’re not 100 percent there. But I’m not one to lie to my kids,” she says. “I tell them, Dad and I are having a hard time right now. We’re okay, but there are some hard things going on right now. But please know we love you fiercely and nothing’s going to change that.”

Autumn shares that when her kids were little, they weren’t as queued in on what was happening, 

When they’re young, trying to normalize things as much as possible means keeping the traditions that are important to them.

Becky assures that normalizing for our kids in many situations is okay. If there’s heavy abuse in the home though, it’s time to get to safety. “But if you’re working with your loved one and things are hard, it’s okay to try to provide some stability for your kids,” she says. 

Tiffany stresses the importance of honesty. 

Saying, “My heart is sad and I just need a minute,” can mean you’re being honest with your children without giving them difficult things they couldn’t carry. 

Tiffany also shares how helpful it is to engage other people in this cause. For instance, going to a family member’s home to enjoy some of the traditions sometimes helps the energy change enough so that we can provide meaningful experiences without having to shoulder the burden alone.

The bottom line is: you can still maintain the traditions that are really important to you.

Question #3: How do we navigate family events when we’re not on good terms with our loved ones during the holidays?

Tiffany admits that sometimes we do it horribly and that’s okay! There will be another event where we can do it a little better. Sometimes her main goal in holiday social situations is to just breathe.  She reminds us that it’s okay to not be the life of the party sometimes.

Autumn shares that for a period of time, her husband was uninvited to one side of family events. That was a boundary that her mom had set. So, her husband went to other things with his side of the family. Autumn set a boundary with family, where she asked them not to talk badly about her husband when the kids were around.

Tiffany found it helpful to set a time limit for the event and share that with the kids. If she knew she had the emotional bandwidth to only stay an hour, she would prepare the kids beforehand for that.

Becky says that, “I’m one to not go to things if I know it’s going to be too hard for me. I recognize there are going to be people who don’t understand and who don’t agree, but if my emotional energy is gone, I just don’t attend things.” 

But how do you navigate it when people start to pry?

Autumn explains that a lot of people step away from functions in general when suffering from betrayal trauma. “I was a very social person and I turned into a very reclusive person. I’m just now starting to turn into a social person again out of my family setting.”  

When people have experienced betrayal trauma, it’s a totally normal reaction to want to step away from social events.

Autumn shares some good ways to respond to questions you don’t want to answer:  “I’ve stopped saying yes to things that I don’t feel comfortable with.” Or, “They just won’t be here this time, but hopefully they can come next time.” 

Tiffany has discovered that isolating works really well to avoid people who are prying. But when we can’t isolate, in order to avoid oversharing or overcommitting, she would respond with, “I’m going to have to get back to you on that.” Or, “I don’t know, let me check my calendar.” Responding in that way gave her space to think things through and answer in a way that made her comfortable.

You don’t owe anyone anything.

Becky shares that “Culturally, we’re taught to always say yes, but giving yourself just a little bit of space to say ‘I’ll get back to you on that,’ then you can come at it from a place where you’re not so triggered.”

Autumn asserts that “The space is the grace.”

Tiffany explains how she has learned to say no. “Every time I say no to something that didn’t feel right to me, that’s the best case for both of us,” she says. “If it’s not right for me, I believe with every fiber of my being, that it’s not right for them.”

Becky believes that we need to give ourselves permission to take the space that we need and the time that we need. “All of these holidays that we navigate, there’s a lot of pressure. We need to give ourselves space and grace to step away as needed. Attend when we can and when we recognize when it’s great for our kids, but utilize self-care.”

Lastly, Autumn shares how she has learned over the years to simplify greatly, as well as to say no when it’s appropriate and to say yes when it’s appropriate. 

Tiffany reminds us to continue personal care rituals and routines (daily meditation, scripture study, exercising, etc.) during the holidays. “Be even more intentional and keep doing it,” she adds.

Finally, Becky shares how she hopes everyone has the holiday season that they need!

Holiday Song: 

“Behold” by Plumb

Please continue to send in your anonymous questions through Facebook, Instagram, the website, or email them to Becky@riseuprestored.com.



Ep. 20- Becky's Story Revisited

Co-host Tiffany and special guest co-host, Beckie Hennessy, sit down with Becky, host of the Rise up Restored podcast, to revisit her story that she shared in the first episode. 

Becky loves traveling and road trips, reading, art, movies, and LOVES music.  She is almost finished with her Master’s degree in Clinical Mental Health Counseling and feels so very called by God in her work as a counselor.  Becky has been married for 20 years and is the mother of three teenage warrior daughters. 

Becky says she grew up in a very religious home where she tried hard to check all the boxes and please her parents but did not feel she had a strong relationship with God.

She shares that she met her husband in Driver’s Ed in high school. After a year of dating, he trusted her enough to tell her that he struggled with pornography. Even though she knew about this problem, she didn’t understand at the time how much it would eventually affect their lives. They continued to date and, after he served a mission for their church, they got engaged and married 7 weeks later.  

We were told by clergy to just get married and the porn problem will be resolved.

But it did not resolve.  Becky says things only got worse. Soon, her husband would take the car and be gone all day, acting out. She shares that she had no idea where he was or what he was doing.

It was almost like I was more lonely after marriage than before.

Becky shares that even though her husband was always honest with her about what he had been doing, she felt helpless, hopeless, and very alone. They would go to clergy to ask for support, but she says the advice to “just be nicer to him,” “smile more,” “put on more makeup,” and “have more sex” made things worse for Becky.

Becky says that because her foundation with God was more cultural and not internally very strong, she became angry and hopeless in her relationship with God and stopped attending her church. 

We spent a few years away from our faith because of the pain we were experiencing.

Becky explains that, “I’d been taught that you do everything you’re supposed to, you check those boxes, you put that medallion on, and then, boom, you’re good. If you do THIS, then you get THIS, no matter what.”

As much as she fiercely loved her husband, he was hurting her. “The two things in my mind weren’t making sense,” Becky says.  So, in order to stay as sane as she could, she says she had to set the spiritual stuff aside. 

My relationship with the Lord at that time was just an outcry. My prayers were a puddle of crying on the floor.

Becky shares that looking back, she can see that the Lord was there the whole time; but in the midst of that pain, she felt lost.  Becky explains that she had learned some false beliefs about needing to hustle for her worth. She had been taught growing up that “what you do equals how much you’re worth.”  Becky says, “So, if I was ‘BLANK enough,’ then he wouldn’t do this.  If I was kind enough, if I cooked enough, if I dressed this way, or if my hair looked this way, if I did the dishes enough, he would stop.”

Not one time did her husband tell her she wasn’t enough. But she heard that every time he acted out. It wasn’t about her, but she heard it was about her every single time.

Becky shares that she became severely depressed.  She says that one of her numbing behaviors to dull the pain was eating. The emotional eating spiraled out of control, and she shares she became morbidly obese. 

Becky says that when they moved to the Midwest about ten years into their marriage, they finally found a good therapist. For the first time, the therapist had enough training to know how to begin working with her husband and even (finally) do some work with her, as the betrayed spouse. 

When they moved back to Utah, Becky and her husband found a place that had even more specialized training. They told her husband: “We recognize it’s really hard for you to stop, so we want to give you tools to get through it.” This was the first time her husband’s behaviors were seen as an addiction.

Becky shares that another tool that was instrumental in her healing was the 12-step group SALifeline.  “There is something about sitting in a room with people who can understand,” she says.

The nature of this beast of betrayal trauma is isolating. That’s how Satan attacks the spouse: isolation.

It was in these 12-step meetings that Becky was pointed toward God. Becky explains that, “Before, God was this dude in the sky with a white beard and a robe.” But suddenly, she found herself asking Him:  “Who are You really? And who am I?”.   The shift was a slow process for her. She learned about who her Heavenly Parents are and that taught her who she really is.

I am enough and my husband’s actions aren’t a measurement of that.

Another healing resource for Becky was the Heart of a Woman Retreat.  She shares that it was a safe place where she started really digging into the pain and the hard and the trust issues with God.  She deeply explored the hard and painful questions that she had been avoiding for many years.

“What? God loves me? And He’s always there?”

During this time, and through working with therapists, Becky shares that she learned she didn’t have to use food as a protection anymore. “That year of ‘Breaking’ was ‘brutiful,’” she says, “but it started me on this journey.”  She has learned that this journey consists of “an unfolding” and is not about doing more. 

Becky shares that her best tool for healing is connecting with God.

God is the ultimate healer.

Becky says, “I asked the Lord, ‘What is it you want from me?’  I thought it was going to be a checklist, like praying more”.  But when she heard that whisper of “Let go” from the Lord, it was too scary at first. She shares that it took her time, healing, and trust in the Lord before she could give Him control.

The Lord said: “Put the control in my hand, I will take care of you. I’ve had it the whole time, but I’ll take it even more.” 

Becky shares how this leap of faith has helped her to learn to trust her Heavenly family. “We can rise up fully restored and I know with the Lord, we can all do it,” she says. “A lot of times we want to restore it to just what it looked like. But we can be restored to more. I believe that’s what the Lord wants for us.”

In the end, Becky reminds us that we were meant to be brave!

Becky’s Recovery Resources: 

Her Heavenly Family

Meditation 

Music

Specialized Therapy 

Supportive friends 

Heart of a Woman Retreat

“Not Today” by Hillsong United

 

Beckie Hennessy’s podcast: Living Through with Beckie Hennessy

 

Becky’s Song: 

“Brave” by Skillet