Ep. 10- Roxanne's Story

Becky and Tiffany sit down with Roxanne to share her story. Roxanne was born in Pleasanton, California. She grew up in a devout Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint home. She says her testimony was always there, but she learned in high school that she needed to work on it to help it grow.

She attended Ricks College in Rexburg, Idaho. In her third year there, she met her husband. When they were first married, she felt they had the best relationship. “I thought we were it. We didn’t struggle that first year like other people did.” She never considered he might have a problem with pornography.

Six months into the marriage, she discovered that her husband was using porn. It was devastating. Something happened inside of her at that moment, and she never could trust him again. They spoke with their bishop, who gave them church answers (scriptures, prayer, Family Home Evening, doing good things, etc.). Roxanne eventually found that although these things are helpful and important, unless a person really wants to stop, they’re not the answer for addressing pornography.

I was angry, stressed, and cried a lot.

Over the years, she continued to find pornography in the home. Yet, her husband was not forthcoming about what he was doing. She had great fear about what was happening inside her home, and often felt confused. She doubted herself a lot. But little by little, she gave these trials to the Lord through much prayer. Over time, it became easier to trust her intuition.

Having God on your side is a powerful foundation.

In February 2012, with a newfound sense of peace and calm, Roxanne told her husband she was no longer going to accept his excuses. She knew that he was, yet again, using porn and lying about it. This time, when they went to the bishop, he told them that her husband needed to do the 12-step program for four years because it takes three to five years to heal from addiction.

For a year and a half, they faithfully attended their weekly 12-step meetings--his were for addicts, hers were for betrayed wives. She felt they thrived in those meetings.

However, in 2013, things between them seemed to be getting worse. He again denied using porn.

That’s when God told me, “He’s not being honest with you.” 

Roxanne received this clear answer because she was building her relationship with Christ. She was praying all the time--constantly. She asked God, “What am I supposed to do today?” Learning to turn her life over to whatever it was, she was understanding how to be strong.

Finding his lost office key was the catalyst to her understanding just how bad things had gotten for her husband. She saw from his internet history on his work computer that he was sinking deeper into frightening levels of pornography. Deciding she would no longer do this by herself, she spoke for the first time with both his family and her family about his addiction. She also confronted him, and after attempting to manipulate and deceive, he broke down. It was a typical response for him: “He says he’s not. I find out anyway. He can no longer deny it, he cries, and then he says he’ll do better.”

They did another year of 12-step, and this time, they added counseling to help them. But soon, things were at an all-time low, with his mistreatment of her a clear red-flag that he’d relapsed.

She called in a prayer intervention to both families.

When confronted with his lies, he backpedaled, saying he wanted a divorce. But Roxanne allowed her faith to guide her every step, feeling she should wait and not engage or speak with him at that time. She even received a text from her brother:

Don’t worry. Angels are on their way.

Her husband chose to fight his addiction once again, this time entering a ninety-day, in-patient treatment program for sex addicts. Afterwards, Roxanne gave him one more year to work his recovery. They even moved so he could focus on this one thing: healing.

In one particularly difficult moment, and in agony over her husband’s continued choice to be dishonest, she saw his neckties. She felt angry that they hung there, organized and faking perfection--like her husband was doing. She cut them up with scissors, and then crumpled to the floor in despair.

Heavenly Father gets that we don’t always see the whole picture, and He’s okay with us being angry.

She had many moments when she allowed herself to process through the anger. She would go on drives to yell it out with God. It was only after the driving and yelling that she could hear Him. 

We can’t bring anything in if we’re already full; it’s all got to come out, and then we can receive.

 Nearly a year later, Roxanne knew in her heart that it was time to divorce. Sobriety and recovery are two very different things, and her husband might have been choosing the former, but not the latter. That’s when the spirit whispered, “you’re done.”

There have been twists and turns since the divorce, all of them acting as a bridge to her understanding and growth. She wrote a book about her experiences, and last year, she remarried. Roxanne and her husband are “choosing in,” meaning that they are willing to do the work it takes to build a healthy, happy life.

When asked about how Christ has restored her, Roxanne is quick to explain:

 Even though I have these wounds, Christ has made up the difference. Like Job, I’ve been given more than what was taken.


Rooxanne’s Recovery Resources:

12- Step Group

Prayers (including driving and yelling it out with God)

Free Women’s Group from WORTH

Book: Cutting Ties by Roxanne Kennedy Granata

Roxanne’s Podcast: Choose In

 

Roxanne’s Song:

“Tell Your Heart to Beat Again” by Daniel Gokey

Ep. 9- Anonymous Q&A #1

Team members Tiffany, Autumn, and Becky sit down to answer anonymous questions from listeners.  They share their individual insights into: “Where do I start in all of this?  How do I start finding healing and peace?”, “What is self-care and why do I need it?”, and end with an important discussion about the difference between forgiveness and trust.  They testify that the Lord is so generous in our individual paths back to Him.  We invite you to Rise Up Restored with us.

#1- Where do I start in all of this?  How do I start finding healing and peace?

Tiffany says to step back and take a breath.  Take a breath and then reach out.  She encourages us to follow our intuition about who to share with.  Keep it in your prayers.  Becky shares that she feels like Satan wants to keep us our separate because 

Satan knows “Keep everybody separate, don’t let anybody talk to each other, because then they will start healing.”

Becky shares that one of the first things she needed, and what we all need, is safety. Physical safety in some situations is the first thing to take care of.  If you and your children need physical safety, that is the most important place to start.  Tiffany shares that safety is the foundation to find healing and peace

I don’t think healing or peace can come until you’ve got some safety.

Emotional safety is important for healing and peace, and boundaries are the best ways to start finding safety.

Becky also shares the importance of taking care of our basic needs.  It is really important to get enough sleep, 7-8 hours is ideal.  She shares that she has a much clearer head when she has enough sleep.  “Are you drinking enough water?”  Take care of your basic needs.  

Autumn shares her four areas of recovery- 1- getting a support person. 2- counseling or therapy.  3- 12-step program.  4- ecclesiastical support.  She feels healing and recovery can come with just a few of these things but that it just takes a bit longer.  Tiffany shares that acceptance is really important in the beginning.  

As long as I was fighting the fact that I was in the situation I was in, I couldn’t start healing and I couldn’t find peace.

Finally, Autumn shares to be careful of your expectation of timing.  She says to give up your timetable because it is on the Lord’s time.  He is going to make it happen when it’s His time.  Becky shares that it is not always about working harder, researching more, and reading more books.  She shares that when she learned to surrender and put it in the Lords hands, that’s when things started coming together for her healing and peace.

#2- What is self-care and why do I need it?

Autumn talks about the importance of self-care and that most women struggle to take care of themselves because they are so focused on everyone else.  She shares that self-care in NOT selfish care.  Becky looked up the definition of self-care (because that is who she is): 

Self-care is the practice of taking an active role in protecting one's own well-being and happiness, in particular during periods of stress.

That’s what makes this not selfish. We are protecting our well-being, especially in times of stress.  And what bigger times of stress than betrayal trauma.  Becky shares that self-care is one of best things we can do for ourselves and our loved ones.  Tiffany shares that self-care wasn’t something she knew about for a long time.  She shares that it was scary to let go and take care of herself but when she did, she found a lot of peace and hope.  Autumn shares that self-care for her is physically, emotionally, and spiritually and she uses self-care to take care of herself and to feel better and then she can support the people around her.  She shares the analogy of the oxygen mask on an airplane is like self-care: we are told we need to put our masks on first before we help the people around us.

Self-care is ongoing and changes and it is about exploring who we are.  Self-care looks different for everyone.  Autumn shares that her self-care includes hiking (slow and steady), being in nature and God’s beauty, and photography, especially while she is in nature.  Tiffany shares that her self-care includes massages (and that still battles to share this for fear that she would seem wasteful).  She says that massages help her feel happy.  She also loves nature and takes at least a short walk every day.  Tiffany also shares that supplements and essential oils have been huge for her as she is paying attention and taking care of herself.  Becky shares that for self-care a few years ago she started playing the ukulele, because she had always wanted to.  She joined a ukulele group and played with them for about a year.  She shares 

It fed my soul

And that is what self-care is about.  Feeding our souls.  Becky shares that it may sound silly or frivolous, but it’s those things that allowed her to open that little box she had always wanted to.  Becky shares she doesn’t play here ukulele as much as she used to and this was a good reminder that she would like to pull it and play again.

With self-care, just try.  Actively protect your health.  That is what makes it not selfish.  Just start taking care of yourself and you will figure it out.  In the beginning, be intentional.  “Today I am going to take an hour.”  “Today I am going to take a bath.”  Try and find adDaily act of self-care.

The key is to start!

#3- What is the different between forgiveness and trust?

Becky shares that these two things are very different.  She shares that she was raised to just clean up, forgive, and move on.  But with her husband it was really hard.  She wanted to forgive but she was still being hurt by his decisions and actions.  Becky shares that she found a lot of help when she learned more about what forgiveness really is.  She shares that she learned that

Forgiving someone for what they do, releases me from being tied to that any longer.

Tiffany shares that it was hard to have a safe space with people who didn’t know the difference between forgiveness and trust.  She shares that the forgiveness was something that set her free and the trust was something that needed to be rebuilt and can take longer.  Becky shared a thought from the movie “The Shack” and the journey of the main character to find forgiveness.

“Forgiveness is not about forgetting, Mack. It is about letting go of another person's throat. Forgiveness does not establish relationship. It is to release you from something that will eat you alive, that will destroy your joy and your ability to love fully and openly.”

Autumn shares that she feels like trust comes when safety is created and that can take place once safety is created.  She shares that turning things over to the Savior can help.  She shares that for her, a lot of safety had to take place with her husband before the trust could be there.  Autumn shares that she didn’t just have a husband to forgive, she had others to forgive, too.  

I didn’t think I could ever kneel down and pray for someone who ruined my family.

Autumns shares that she trusted God and He created a safe space for her.  She prayed for those people a lot.  She shares that she let Him take them from her it is amazing the forgiveness that has taken place because of trusting the Lord.  Autumn shares that is has taken time and we all have the right to feel hurt.  Autumn shares that it is like a grief process, with anger and sadness, too.  She shares that for her, trust and forgiveness were a little further down the road.

Tiffany shares that she feels forgiveness and trust can come in 3 areas:  for yourself and the mistakes you make, for the loved one, and forgiveness and trust with God.  Yep, sometimes we need to work on forgiveness and trust through with God.

Becky shares that she has had hard experiences with ecclesiastical leaders being told that she needed to “just forgive and move on” and asked why she couldn’t just trust her husband after a few weeks.

Forgiveness in no way every requires trust in someone.

If someone is untrustworthy, there is no obligation to trust them.

Becky shares that she feels forgiveness is a very personal journey.  And that trust is something that takes a long time to earn and can be lost very quickly.  “It’s ok not to trust someone for a while.”  She shares that not trusting doesn’t mean you are being mean or angry or vindictive or unloving.  It doesn’t even mean you haven’t forgiven.  It just means that trust is something that needs to be earned and sometimes it just takes time.  Becky shares that it’s important for loved ones to be patient with ourselves as we are learning to trust again. She believes it is ok not to trust someone and having a hard time forgiving doesn’t mean you don’t have faith and that you don’t trust the Lord.  It is just where you are at.  Just take your time and be gentle with yourself as you are walking this path.

Forgiveness is something we are commanded to do.  But NOT instantly.

Autumn shares that God meets us where we are and whatever we can offer the Lord is enough.  She shares that learning to forgive and trust is something we would like to do and to keep moving along that path.  God will meet you where you are at.

Tiffany shares that she is still learning that piece of wanting to trust, even though it has been 17 years since she learned of her ex-husband’s addiction.  And that’s ok.  She knows it doesn’t mean she hasn’t found healing or is holding onto resentment.  Tiffany shares she is still working on it.

The Lord is so generous in the individual person paths back to Him.  He meets us where we are.  Whatever that looks like.

 

Thank you again for joining us and sharing your questions with us.  If you know someone who could benefit from this podcast, please share this episode with them.

 

Recovery Resources Shared Today:

Book- “Boundaries” by Henry Cloud and John Townsend

Book (and movie)- “The Shack” by William Paul Young

 

Becky’s Song:

“The God Who Stays” by Matthew West